Wednesday, March 6, 2024

Hindus lied about not being converted by Jews at the Hindu-Jewish Summit, they are not converted to Judaism but Noahidism


At the Hindu-Jewish Summit where it was agreed that Hinduism was a partial-Noahide faith (here), it was also agreed that Jews would not seek to convert Hindus. However, Rabbi Rosen, the former Chief Rabbi of Ireland made it clear that while Hindus were not to convert to Judaism they were to follow the Noahide Laws, and that it was the only way to be loved by god. Hindus often use the fact that Jews don't want them to become Jews to claim that Judaism is not evangelistic and invasive like Christianity, but it really is.  The only difference is that Noahidism simply mutates the faith from within, slowly changing doctrines while maintaining the same outward appearance and name, rather than having you give up your entire faith for a new one  (here). So instead of becoming Jews, Hindus become Hindu-Noahides, and then tell you Jews didn't convert them... tricky! 


1st Hindu-Jewish Summit Agrees No Proselytization

"Neither seeks to proselytize, nor undermine or replace in any way the religious identities of other faith communities. They expect other communities to respect their religious identities and commitments, and condemn all activities that go against the sanctity of this mutual respect" 
Declaration of the 1st Hindu – Jewish Leadership Summit, Report of the 2nd Hindu-Jewish Leadership Summit, World Council of Religious Leaders, Retrieved 02/27/2020 From: http://www.hindujewish.org/pdfs/2nd-Hindu-Jewish_Summit_Report-Final-print.pdf
2st Hindu-Jewish Summit Agrees No Proselytization
"HINDU-JEWISH LEADERSHIP SUMMIT OPPOSES PROSELYTIZATION" 
- HISTORIC HINDU JEWISH DECLARATION, World Council of Religious Leaders [2008], Retrieved 02/25/2020 from: http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/Hindu-Jewish_Summit_Information.pdf
Rabbi Rosen Seems To Be Anti-Conversion 

Rabbi David Rosen Seems To Be Anti-Conversion
Then if the individual insists, we can convert them, but this is not what we mean by proselytization, which, by definition, is an expression of disrespect. We have a joint commitment not only to freedom of religion, but also freedom from religion, if it is being imposed on usWe need a clear consensus about the abuse of religion, done by people who claim to be its greatest guardians. This is a big tragedy; none of our religions today are free of it. We all have our extremists who abuse the tenets and the values that we love the most. We must have limits to pluralism in our own communities, and we must have the strength and courage to repudiate those who abuse the values of our traditions in order to promote their partisan interests
- Rabbi David Rosen
- Report of the Hindu-Jewish Leadership Summit [2007], World Council of Religious Leaders, Retrieved 02/25/20 from: http://www.millenniumpeacesummit.org/1st-Hindu-Jewish_Summit_Report-Final.pdf
But Rabbi Rosen And Others 
Only Don't Believe In Jewish Conversion.
They Do Believe In Noahide Conversions 
And That It Is The Only Way To Be Loved By God
"The absence of an initiative to proselytize is also a major point of connection between these two faiths, which reinforces their non-universal character. There is no standard conversion process for an individual who wants to be a member of the Hindu community and an individual’s recognition within any given community could vary. In most Hindu traditions, however, they would not be recognized as a Hindu because of the tradition’s strong tie with ethnicity. Ethnicity does not present as much of an issue in Judaism, as there does exist a conversion process. However, for an outsider who wants to become a member of the Jewish religion it is typically not an easy process, especially within Orthodox circles. It is not uncommon for a rabbi to deny an individual’s conversion request several times before conceding to convert an individual. Rabbis typically first try to convince a potential convert that conversion is not necessary and that the Noahide laws are all that need be followed for a non-JewRabbi David Rosen, the Director of the American Jewish Committee's Department for Interreligious Affairs and the special advisor to the Chief Rabbinate of Israel on interreligious affairs, definitively states the Jewish position on the issue of conversion noting that
When someone comes to the Rabbinic Court and says “I want to be with you,” we are obliged to say that they are not required to convert to find the fullness of their soul. The person is already acceptable in the eyes of the Almighty. We are obliged to tell the person that they are loved and acceptable as they are so long as they follow the basic moral codes. (2007c, p. 41) 
For Jews, the absence of an imperative to convert comes out of reasons rooted deep in their history. This understanding of a non-conversion effort emerges out of a tradition that is culturally particular, historically specific, and based on particular experiences, therefore making it senseless to expect or require outsiders to covert to or follow it (Rosen, personal communication, 6/24/2010). The same understanding would follow for the Hindu tradition as well, which is also culturally particular, historically specific, and based on particular experiences 
- Michael Mclean Bender, "The Hindu-Jewish relationship and the significance of dialogue : participants' reflections on the 2007 and 2008 Hindu-Jewish summits at New Delhi and Jerusalem", Florida International University, Retrieved 02/25/2020 from: https://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.bing.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2703&context=etd

3 comments:

  1. Any rabbi prepared to call idol worshipers Noahide will be accused of heresy and treated as heretics. Chabad are infamous for their heresy.

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  3. It should be obvious Rabbi Rosen is a sellout more interested in the fashionable causes of the goyim rather than any principled adherence to the principles of Judaism. After all, if he was a principled Jew, he would not have become the Chief Rabbi of Ireland! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rosen_(rabbi)

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